Remus Shepherd (remus_shepherd) wrote,

Just accidentally pissing people off again.

I just got into a conversation on Dean Wesley Smith's forum, in an article asking why authors need agents. DWS doesn't think agents are ever needed; I maintain that if you're going to choose the path of traditional publishing, you need the traditional trappings, if for no other reason than publishers demand it.

For some reason, DWS deleted my last post and claimed it was insulting.

(An aside: This is one reason why self-publishing is not for me. I have the social skills of a tourettes-addled porcupine. If I can casually insult a man that I admire without even knowing it, I should not be in charge of promoting myself or my stories.)

I *think* that what DWS found insulting is my assertion that his third path to success is only anecdotally viable. Instead of traditional publishing or self-publishing, DWS suggests authors ignore publisher guidelines by sending queries freely, whether the publishers accept unsolicited queries or not, and ignoring any hurdles such as exclusive submission requests. Break all the rules, is DWS's policy.

I admit that works for him. He's an award-winning author and editor who has been in the industry for over 20 (30?) years. If a publisher gets an unsolicited letter from him they're going to at least look at it. If they get one from me they'll probably never even open the envelope.

Almost every success I see in self-publishing and the DWS third path follows the same model. Someone who has had some amount of success uses it to leverage their way into publishing via an alternate method, then they proclaim that they did it all with hard work and ingenuity. That's wrong. DWS was a well-known author. Joe Konrath had enough success in traditional publishing that he was able to fund his unique promotional activities. Barry Eisler was traditionally published and rich before he started self-publishing. John Locke was filthy rich and owned his own marketing company. All of them claim that they got published through hard work, and all I see are people who don't realize how lucky they were.

There is one exception: Amanda Hocking. At the age of 27 she self-published 17 novels at once and spent every day while unemployed promoting them. Amanda Hocking is Superwoman in my book. I can't follow her model; if nothing else, I only have three novels to offer so far. Also note that snapping up an agent and a traditional contract was the first thing Hocking did, because she was killing herself the other way.

Is this insulting, to point out to people that their success was due to luck as much as it was to their hard work? Because it seems very obvious to me.

I don't have any success to leverage. I have nothing. I don't even have dedicated beta readers. All I have as leverage is a 2000 reader webcomic and six amateur critique partners. Someday I might make use of those paltry tools, but not now. I certainly don't have contacts in the industry beyond a handful of authors and editors from VP and Taos, most of them who can't remember my fucking name.

I can't do the DWS method; I don't think anyone can unless they're already well-known in the industry. I don't want to self publish, not until I have more to offer. (I will be self-publishing Genocide Man, but that's a special case, a graphic novel that's otherwise unsellable. The question is whether I should publish one of my novels alongside it.) Right now the traditional route is the only clear path I have to publication. For better or worse, that means agents.

My apologies if any of that is insulting. I don't mean to be. But neither will I be deluded about my chances along any path.
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seawasp

December 12 2012, 17:22:11 UTC 5 months ago

I suppose there are some people out there who really, truly WANT to believe their success was purely due to their own hard work and that anyone else could do the same.

I'm not one of them; I'm published to a great extent because I got lucky. Yes, I'm good enough as a writer so that that first break didn't turn to my career funeral, but there's plenty of other writers out there as good or better, many of whom have yet to be published. I got lucky. J.K. Rowling got lucky. Luck plays a HUGE part in the publishing business, at ALL levels, and anyone claiming otherwise is either selling you something... or trying to sell themselves something.

houseboatonstyx

December 12 2012, 17:24:02 UTC 5 months ago

and spent every day while unemployed promoting them.

Are you sure of that? The Hocking interview I read said that she put them up, did nothing, and was surprised at considerable sales. Of course at some later point she may have done some promotion. The author of Fifty Shades was emphatic that she did no promotion at all.

Offhand, I suspect the luck there is that they were supplying a product that no one else was, so word of mouth traveled fast.

A self-publisher who does get bogged down in promotion is haikujaguar.

remus_shepherd

December 12 2012, 18:46:35 UTC 5 months ago

Hocking blogged a lot, and developed a large following that way. Having 17 books out at once is a big boost also; every book purchase is an advertisement for the others.

Fifty Shades was pornographic fanfiction, developed amongst the community at a pornographic fanfiction site. She had a lot of people following her when she decided to publish -- an incredibly ballsy move, by the way, for which she deserves credit. The fanfiction crowd plus the porn turned into a nice stepping stone for the book.

I can't write porn that doesn't horrify people, so that's not an option for me either. :)

christophereast

December 12 2012, 18:34:10 UTC 5 months ago

To be fair, you have more names than most of Taos 2012...and I remember most of them. :)

This post is right on. Don't drink the Kool-Aid. Self-publishing works for a select few, but you do need something to leverage that most aspiring writers don't have. A built-in readership can turn into Kickstarted novels, but if most of us tried that, it would be embarrassing.

I'm wary of successful writers who sell their road to publication as gospel. The things that work for one writer do not work for all writers. And for some of us, none of them work, or slowly if at all.

On the other hand, a writer who has achieved success probably has worked very hard to get there, regardless of how they did it. If your comment suggested it was only luck that led to the success, I can see that being taken as offensive. Perhaps he misinterpreted what you said.

remus_shepherd

December 12 2012, 18:37:08 UTC 5 months ago Edited:  December 12 2012, 18:43:28 UTC

When I say authors and editors who can't remember my name, I'm referring to Elizabeth Bear and Patrick Nielsen Hayden -- both of whom I will embarrass if I ever get on stage during the Hugos. :) I mean contacts in the industry, not my fellow students.

kgbooklog

December 12 2012, 20:20:18 UTC 5 months ago

See item #5 here.

tprjones

December 17 2012, 16:55:01 UTC 5 months ago

But the rich people I've personally known do work 10 times harder than everyone else; they're the only people I know that start working when they get out of bed and don't stop until they get back in. I'm sure that's not universal. There are plenty of rich people who got there because of someone else's hard work or because of luck, but there are a lot who do work very hard for it. Just as there are many many hard-working people who never get rich.

Nothing is ever simple when generalizing. Sure, luck probably often plays a part, but hard work is a key to the process that few people take the time to turn. I for one don't want to spend my entire waking life chasing dollars. I'd rather just 9-to-5 it and spend the rest of my time playing video games and watching TV. And I'm happy with that choice, even though I know I'll never be rich.

Anonymous

December 13 2012, 09:42:14 UTC 5 months ago

Here's more perspective on types of publishing.

http://kriswrites.livejournal.com/202536.html

Personally, I can't get very energized over finishing something that will then have to go through the hoops of finding an agent, and/or sit for a year or two at each publisher, and if bought (on a contract that ties up my future unborn MSS), may or may not ever actually get published, and then have maybe as much as three weeks in bookstores, and then the publisher gets bought by some bigger publisher, etc etc.

/houseboat here/

remus_shepherd

December 13 2012, 15:49:33 UTC 5 months ago

Yes, I read Kris Rusch also. She's just as blind as her husband. Oh, she has an amazing amount of business sense that is very useful and informative. But her prescriptions for success are basically how to maximize your chances of getting lucky -- write many novels, don't give up, keep plugging quarters into that slot machine -- then she denies that luck is a factor.

I don't think she's doing any favors to authors. People read her advice and expect that if they follow it they'll find success, but it's no guarantee. An author still needs to get lucky, no matter what publishing path they choose.

So if I need luck along a path that requires much harder work and which gets me no respect in the industry, why not instead try to get lucky along a path the industry recommends?

Kris Rusch offers great advice for anyone hoping to scrape a meager paycheck out of self-publishing. I am not writing for the money, and I have bigger goals than that.




Anonymous

December 15 2012, 06:06:38 UTC 5 months ago

As impressive as what Smith and Rusch have done, I'd have to agree with Wasp that luck is huge--I've heard that from too many in the business. It's as Ian Rankin says: you have to get lucky, and stay lucky.